we haven't done anything to reform our entitlement programs. to slow overrate of growth of the economy. we have to do that or we will never get to the promise land. i think president obama is right. that we still got to have some revenue in the mix. but again, the real focus has to be on reducing these entitlement costs. that's the big deal. >> senator, you agree that we need entitlement cuts but we also need revenue as part of the last phase of this deficit reduction? >> i do, indeed. you don't have to call it a tax increase. if you go into the tax expenditures, which are these loop holes, they are really spending any other name, earmarked, $1,100,000,000 of them. you can't spend your way out of this hole and can't tax your way out of this hole or grow your way out of hole. no economy said we could grow our way out in year. >> we are hearing more and more from republicans and even some democrats that, as they say this march 1 sequester deadline that maybe we let the sequester take effect. 10 million over ten years, evenly split between domesti